Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/01/2000 08:15 AM House CRA

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HB 272-MUNICIPAL TAX: LOW INCOME HOUSING                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN  HARRIS announced  that the  first order  of business                                                               
would  be  HOUSE BILL  NO.  272,  "An  Act  relating to  the  tax                                                               
assessment by a home rule  or general law municipality of housing                                                               
that  qualifies  for  the low-income  housing  credit  under  the                                                               
Internal Revenue Code; and providing for an effective date."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0110                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JONATHON  LACK,  Legislative  Assistant,  Representative  Halcro,                                                               
Alaska State Legislature, informed the  committee that HB 272 was                                                               
brought to  Representative Halcro's  attention by  another member                                                               
of the legislature as well as  a number of individuals who own or                                                               
finance  federally  qualified  low-income housing  in  Anchorage.                                                               
Mr. Lack explained that until  1997 the Municipality of Anchorage                                                               
assessed low-income  housing based on the  rent-restricted income                                                               
as  opposed   to  the   property's  market   value.     The  rent                                                               
restrictions  are  part  of  the   deed  as  a  function  of  the                                                               
property's qualification for low-income  housing tax credits.  In                                                               
1997 and  1998 the Municipality  of Anchorage changed  its method                                                               
of  assessing  these  low-income  housing properties.    In  some                                                               
cases,   the  change   doubled  the   tax  assessment   on  those                                                               
properties.   Since there is  very little, if any,  profit margin                                                               
on  low-income  housing  for the  nonprofit  organizations  which                                                               
sponsor  these  properties,  some  of  these  properties  are  in                                                               
jeopardy.   He pointed  out that this  situation exists  in other                                                               
municipalities  in the  state.    Every time  there  has been  an                                                               
appeal  to the  Board of  Equalization or  the equivalent  by the                                                               
owners  of   such  low-income  housing,  that   appeal  has  been                                                               
successful and  the properties were  assessed based on  the rent-                                                               
restricted incomes.   However, the appeal process  is lengthy and                                                               
costly  for  the  owners  of  these  rent-restricted  properties.                                                               
Additionally, the  banking community has now  become reluctant to                                                               
finance  low-income housing  because  of the  new tax  assessment                                                               
formula used by the Municipality of Anchorage.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0400                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LACK noted that last fall  letters were sent to the Anchorage                                                               
Assembly and  the Mayor  of Anchorage.   Those  letters requested                                                               
comments on HB 272.  The  letter also suggested that perhaps, the                                                               
Anchorage Assembly  could address this matter  through ordinance.                                                               
There has  been no response  from the Municipality  of Anchorage.                                                               
In conclusion, Mr. Lack said:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     House  Bill 272  would require  that local  governments                                                                    
     assess low-income  housing at the rental  value instead                                                                    
     of the estimated  market value.  It  is appropriate for                                                                    
     the  state   law  to  be   changed  to   encourage  the                                                                    
        development of needed affordable housing for low-                                                                       
     income families.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO  indicated that  this committee  should act                                                               
quickly on HB  272.  He noted that  municipalities face increased                                                               
pressure  to  find  revenue.     He  believes  that  since  these                                                               
properties  were   constructed  with  deed   restrictions,  those                                                               
restrictions should  be taken into  account when the  property is                                                               
valued.  He  also noted that there is no  stability in the market                                                               
because many  banks are wary  with regard to financing  such low-                                                               
income housing.  He informed  the committee that some states have                                                               
totally  exempted these  properties.   This legislation,  HB 272,                                                               
simply proposes a  fair and reasonable way  to protect affordable                                                               
housing  and encourage  development.   He did  not believe  it is                                                               
fair for both  a deed-restricted property and  a property without                                                               
a deed  restriction to be valued  at the same fair  market value.                                                               
The  problem  is  that  the  one  property,  the  deed-restricted                                                               
property, can  only charge  a specific  while the  other property                                                               
can  charge what  the market  will bear.   This  is an  important                                                               
piece  of legislation  and affordable  housing  is becoming  more                                                               
important.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0636                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI  referred to  a memorandum  from William                                                               
A. Greene,  Deputy Municipal Attorney,  to Kevin Meyer,  Chair of                                                               
the  Anchorage Assembly.    Mr.  Greene cites  state  law as  the                                                               
authority by  which the property  should be assessed at  the full                                                               
market  value.     In  review  of   the  statute,  Representative                                                               
Murkowski found that it does  say that "the assessor shall assess                                                               
property  at its  true  and  full value  with  the exception  of,                                                               
apparently, agricultural  land or land  that has been  subject to                                                               
some kind of  a disaster."  She understood  that the Municipality                                                               
of Anchorage either disregarded  this statutory language prior to                                                               
1997 or did this statute not apply at all?                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LACK disagreed with Mr.  Greene's assessment.  He pointed out                                                               
that AS 29.45.110 says that the  assessment shall be on the "full                                                               
and true value."  The memorandum  from Mr. Greene placed the word                                                               
"market"  in parenthesis.   Prior  to 1997  the assessor  did not                                                               
believe that the  true value was the market value.   In fact, the                                                               
Uniform  Standards of  Professional Appraisal  Practice indicates                                                               
that in determining the true  and full value, any restrictions or                                                               
conveyance on  a deed  would be taken  into consideration.   That                                                               
was followed by  the Anchorage municipal assessor  prior to 1997.                                                               
Therefore, Mr. Lack did not  believe that state law mandates that                                                               
the assessor use  the market value of the property.   However, if                                                               
the  municipal  assessor is  now  taking  the position  that  the                                                               
property must be  assessed at the market value,  then the impetus                                                               
for HB 272 is greater.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI asked if  Mr. Lack had any understanding                                                               
with  regard to  why the  Municipality of  Anchorage changed  its                                                               
position on this matter.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LACK  responded  that  there  was simply  a  change  in  the                                                               
assessor in  the Municipality  of Anchorage.   He noted  that Mr.                                                               
Sieberts  is  also  online  and  may  be  able  to  address  that                                                               
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0860                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI  inquired  as   to  whether  there  are                                                               
similar interpretations in other areas of the state.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. LACK understood that the  City & Borough of Juneau initially,                                                               
assessed low-income housing based on  the market value as opposed                                                               
to the  deed-restricted value.   There have  been appeals  to the                                                               
equivalent of  the Board of  Equalization in Juneau at  which the                                                               
low-income  housing units  have been  successful.   He reiterated                                                               
that  although the  appeal process  may prove  successful, it  is                                                               
expensive.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON provided his  understanding that the real or                                                               
market  value  of  improved  real estate  is  diminished  by  the                                                               
inability  to raise  the rent  and is  enhanced by  some type  of                                                               
federal tax credit.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. LACK replied not necessarily.   He explained that in general,                                                               
the low-income housing tax credits are  set up such that there is                                                               
a limited  partner and a  general partner.  The  committee packet                                                               
includes  an article  which explains  how low-income  housing tax                                                               
credits are  generally set  up.  Generally,  banks are  a limited                                                               
partner in these  developments.  He pointed out  that through the                                                               
Community  Reinvestment  Act,  banks are  encouraged  to  develop                                                               
properties  for  low-income  and  minority  people  within  urban                                                               
areas.  Banks  usually enter as a limited  partner and basically,                                                               
purchase the  tax credit  from the nonprofit  agency, who  has no                                                               
need for  the tax credit  as they do  not pay any  federal taxes.                                                               
He explained  that the  bank would purchase  the tax  credit from                                                               
the nonprofit  agency in exchange for  a sum of money,  which can                                                               
be utilized to construct the  unit.  Therefore, the bank receives                                                               
the tax  credit and the  nonprofit provides housing and  thus the                                                               
tax credit is  separate from the individual,  the nonprofit, that                                                               
pays the  property taxes.   He pointed  out that without  the tax                                                               
credits  there would  be no  incentive for  the banks  to finance                                                               
such developments.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1105                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LACK explained  that prior  to 1998  in the  Municipality of                                                               
Anchorage,  banks based  their investment  on the  amount of  the                                                               
actual   assessment   under    the   rent-restricted   assessment                                                               
procedure.   He  pointed out  that the  rent restrictions  do not                                                               
allow  for  any increase  in  the  rent  in  order to  cover  the                                                               
increased assessment.   Therefore,  there is  no place  to obtain                                                               
the money to pay the municipality.   He recalled that one unit in                                                               
Anchorage has  been under appeal for  both the 1998 and  1999 tax                                                               
assessment  year; they  have  simply  not been  able  to pay  the                                                               
increased assessment, which is about $5,000 per month.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON  asked if the  federal tax credit is  a one-                                                               
time-only tax credit.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. LACK  answered that  he was  not sure  of that;  however, Mr.                                                               
Sieberts could probably provide a more complete answer.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI  pointed out that the  effective date is                                                               
January 1, 2001.  She asked  if anything is being done to address                                                               
those who are in the current assessment dilemma.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. LACK explained  that those in the  current assessment dilemma                                                               
are under appeal.  He  understood that generally, the legislature                                                               
does not like  to intervene in appeals.  Furthermore,  he did not                                                               
know  the legislature's  ability to  make this  retroactive.   In                                                               
further response to Representative  Murkowski, he stated that the                                                               
effective date  was chosen  because that  is the  next assessment                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1303                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOOKESH  returned to Mr. Lack's  earlier statement                                                               
that  low-income housing  was developed  for minorities  and low-                                                               
income people.   He asked if the minorities are  required to also                                                               
meet the low-income criteria as well.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. LACK  responded, "Absolutely."   He understood that  prior to                                                               
the  1970s  and  the  1980s  banks  needed  a  push  to  rent  to                                                               
minorities,  especially  in  the  urban  areas.    The  Community                                                               
Reinvestment Act was initially envisioned  to say that banks have                                                               
a responsibility to  rent to everyone regardless  of their racial                                                               
status.   For the units  being discussed,  one has to  qualify as                                                               
low income in order to become a resident.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN HARRIS expressed concern  with the possibility that a                                                               
developer  could receive  tax credits  or receive  money for  tax                                                               
credits from lending institutions and  leave someone else to face                                                               
the higher taxes.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LACK commented  that  the word  "developer"  in the  sponsor                                                               
statement  may   be  misleading.     The  "developer"   in  these                                                               
situations is  not who one  would typically think of,  but rather                                                               
the   "developer"  would   be  an   entity   such  as   Anchorage                                                               
Neighborhood   Housing.       The   developers    are   nonprofit                                                               
organizations and the  banks are limited partners  with a limited                                                               
role.    The  banks  basically  grant  the  initial  capital  for                                                               
construction of  the project,  which is why  the tax  credits get                                                               
separated from  the nonprofit organization.   There is  no profit                                                               
for anyone  in the development  of low-income housing.   Mr. Lack                                                               
said that low-income housing has  been taken on by the nonprofits                                                               
because the  traditional commercial developers are  not doing it.                                                               
He informed  the committee of  his understanding  that nationwide                                                               
60 percent  of all  rental units for  new construction  are being                                                               
built  under  the low-income  housing  tax  credit program.    He                                                               
reiterated that  there is  a separation of  the tax  credits from                                                               
those who  own the units.   Furthermore,  the banks are  often in                                                               
these projects for 15-30 years.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. LACK,  in response  to Co-Chairman Harris,  said that  he did                                                               
not have  any idea  how strict the  enforcement of  income levels                                                               
is.  He  noted that one of the developers  from Juneau is present                                                               
and could possibly better answer that question.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1594                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROBIN GILCRIST, President, Housing  First, informed the committee                                                               
that  Housing First  is a  nonprofit housing  development agency.                                                               
She said that she strongly supported  HB 272 and then she offered                                                               
to answer any questions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. GILCRIST, in response to  Representative Halcro, informed the                                                               
committee that Housing  First is an all-volunteer  board of which                                                               
one member is  an attorney.  Fortunately, that  attorney has been                                                               
willing  to  do the  battle  with  the  tax assessor  each  year.                                                               
Furthermore,  each  year  Housing  First has  been  fortunate  to                                                               
arrive at an  agreement with the assessor.   However, the process                                                               
is very time  consuming and unstable.  Each year  a budget has to                                                               
be  determined for  the  building and  without  knowing what  the                                                               
assessment will be,  it is very difficult.  Also  as the building                                                               
ages, a  certain amount of money  must be maintained in  order to                                                               
maintain  the  building.    Therefore,  Ms.  Gilcrist  said  that                                                               
Housing First would  appreciate an assessment every  year that it                                                               
could count on, one based on the collection of the rent.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. GILCRIST,  in response to Co-Chairman  Harris, confirmed that                                                               
she is from  Juneau.  In further response  to Co-Chairman Harris,                                                               
she specified that  the tax assessment for  low-income housing is                                                               
based upon  the market value  of the  building.  She  agreed that                                                               
the assessor does not take into  account that the building is not                                                               
producing  income, and  therefore each  year the  battle must  be                                                               
fought.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOULE inquired  as to  what would  happen when  a                                                               
renter in  low-income housing experienced an  increase in his/her                                                               
income.  Is there an adjustment that could be made?                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. GILCRIST answered that the  rent is restricted, and therefore                                                               
cannot be  adjusted.   Furthermore, the  individual could  not be                                                               
evicted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1830                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TAMARA  ROWCROFT,  General  Manager, Alaska  Housing  Development                                                               
Corporation,  explained  that   the  Alaska  Housing  Development                                                               
Corporation is a nonprofit corporation,  which began 26 years ago                                                               
in order  to work  with Juneau to  provide affordable  housing to                                                               
families.   The Alaska Housing Development  Corporation has acted                                                               
as   a  sponsor and  nonprofit owner/manager  of three  different                                                               
low-income  housing  developments  over  those  26  years.    Ms.                                                               
Rowcroft  said she  is  very much  in  support of  HB  272.   She                                                               
informed the  committee that  she has  personally worked  in this                                                               
arena  for  14  years;  it  is becoming  more  difficult  to  get                                                               
affordable housing  out to Alaskans.   The jobs available  in the                                                               
local economy are  lower paying, in many cases.   Therefore, this                                                               
[low-income] housing is critical.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. ROWCROFT  turned to the  issue of compliance.   She explained                                                               
that  the  nonprofit  is  being forced  to  comply  with  program                                                               
guidelines   which  are   developed  by   the  Internal   Revenue                                                               
Service(IRS).  Furthermore, the  nonprofits files are reviewed on                                                               
an  annual  basis  by  the  Alaska  Housing  Finance  Corporation                                                               
(AHFC).   At any time, the  nonprofit could be subject  to a full                                                               
compliance audit by the IRS.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1927                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   BITNEY,  Legislative   Liaison,  Alaska   Housing  Finance                                                               
Corporation  (AHFC), supported  HB 272.    He believes  it is  an                                                               
admirable  cause  to establish  a  consistent  state policy  with                                                               
regard  to how  these properties  should be  assessed.   He noted                                                               
that  AHFC is  the administrator  of  the tax  credit program  in                                                               
Alaska, and therefore performs very  strict compliance audits for                                                               
all  the  organizations.   Mr.  Bitney  turned to  Representative                                                               
Murkowski's comments regarding the  current statute and said that                                                               
AHFC believes that the assessor  has the discretion in this area.                                                               
With  the uncertainty  of the  assessment,  banks and  developers                                                               
question whether  they should  take on  this responsibility.   He                                                               
feared  that if  nothing is  done, these  [low-income] properties                                                               
will be  developed outside of  organized municipalities  in order                                                               
to avoid such questions on an annual basis.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN  HARRIS commented  that communities  complain to  the                                                               
legislature about unfunded mandates.   He asked if Mr. Bitney had                                                               
any  idea how  much  of a  reduction in  tax  revenue this  would                                                               
create for Anchorage.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BITNEY  recalled  that  one   of  the  organizations  online                                                               
provided a presentation to the  assembly during which he believed                                                               
it said  that about $300,000 would  be lost in changing  from the                                                               
market  value  approach to  the  income  approach.   However,  he                                                               
expressed the need to remember  that these properties do not have                                                               
the cash  flow to operate  the building  and pay the  full market                                                               
value  assessment.   He pointed  out that  generally, these  deed                                                               
restrictions are  on the property  for up to  30 years.   Even if                                                               
the property is  sold or transferred, that  deed restriction will                                                               
stay with the property.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BITNEY  posed a  scenario in  which such  property had  to be                                                               
foreclosed, AHFC would  do so because AHFC is  also the financing                                                               
agency for  the loan portion  of the property.   At the  point of                                                               
foreclosure, there is  the real possibility that  AHFC would then                                                               
manage the  properties as a public  housing property.  In  such a                                                               
case, the property  would then have full tax-exempt  status as do                                                               
properties of AHFC.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN HARRIS  commented that  communities would  be farther                                                               
ahead  if  people  lived  in   low-income  housing  versus  being                                                               
homeless; it may actually save  the communities money in the long                                                               
term.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2178                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO  informed  the committee  that  from  some                                                               
interim hearings he  recalled that the cost of  this to Anchorage                                                               
would  be $250,  000.   With  regard to  this  being an  unfunded                                                               
mandate, he  did not consider  HB 272  an unfunded mandate.   The                                                               
legislation  simply secures  the  ability  to provide  affordable                                                               
low-income  housing.   Representative Halcro  indicated agreement                                                               
with Co-Chairman  Harris in that it  would be far better  to have                                                               
people in a home  rather than in a shelter or on  the street.  He                                                               
alluded to  the effects to  public safety and public  health when                                                               
people do not have affordable housing available to them.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOOKESH  commented that  one of  the goals  of the                                                               
municipalities has  to be to  provide housing to everyone  in the                                                               
municipality.   Without  low-income  housing or  taxation to  the                                                               
demise of  low-income housing,  only people  who could  afford to                                                               
would  live  in  that  particular  municipality.    That  is  not                                                               
reality.    Representative  Kookesh  agreed  with  Representative                                                               
Halcro that  HB 272 is  not an unfunded  mandate, it is  simply a                                                               
mandate  to provide  housing.   He  believes that  the amount  of                                                               
money that  will be lost by  the municipalities will be  small in                                                               
comparison  to having  vacant properties  and low-income  housing                                                               
people   without   housing.     This   legislation   is   morally                                                               
appropriate;  there  needs  to  be a  statewide  answer  to  this                                                               
problem.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2327                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI referred  to a  letter received  by the                                                               
Municipality  of Anchorage  from the  U.S. Department  of Housing                                                               
and Urban Development (HUD).  She  interpreted the letter to be a                                                               
scathing   attack on  the municipality's  policy on  this matter.                                                               
She  pointed out  that the  letter says,  "disregarding the  rent                                                               
restrictions on  these properties  is the single  greatest threat                                                               
to the preservation of existing  stock, and future development of                                                               
affordable housing in  Anchorage today."  She asked  if HUD could                                                               
approach  AHFC and  charge  that  it is  not  complying with  the                                                               
intent of  low-income housing, which  could jeopardize  the funds                                                               
coming into the state for low-income housing.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BITNEY  replied yes.   He explained  that in this  case, AHFC                                                               
administers the Housing Comprehensive  Development (HCD) plan for                                                               
the  entire  state.    That  is  then  submitted  to  HUD,  which                                                               
basically qualifies the  state and AHFC to act as  a pass through                                                               
for a number  of federal housing funds from HUD.   He pointed out                                                               
that Anchorage  is the one  case in which the  municipality deals                                                               
directly with HUD,  and therefore submits its own HCD  plan.  Mr.                                                               
Bitney clarified  that, generally, what  is being referred  to is                                                               
the Community Development Block Grant Program.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BITNEY turned  to the  letter  referenced by  Representative                                                               
Murkowski.  He  explained that as part of  Anchorage's annual HCD                                                               
submittal  to  the  federal   government,  the  municipality  has                                                               
referenced  its desires  and initiatives  to low-income  housing.                                                               
However,  the  assessor's  policy  in  Anchorage  is  creating  a                                                               
conflict.   He said that HUD,  if it feels that  the municipality                                                               
is not in compliance with its  HCD, does have the ability to make                                                               
a determination that  the municipality is out  of compliance with                                                               
its HCD  and could withhold.   At this  point, HUD does  not view                                                               
the State of Alaska as out of compliance.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI  surmised  then   that  Mr.  Bitney  is                                                               
suggesting that  there is the  possibility that  the Municipality                                                               
of Anchorage could  lose some HUD funding due  to this assessor's                                                               
policy.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BITNEY replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2509                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JAN SIEBERTS,  Commercial Real  Estate and  Construction Lending,                                                               
National Bank of Alaska (NBA),  testified via teleconference from                                                               
Anchorage.   He  commented that  what is  really being  discussed                                                               
here is the future  development/construction of affordable modern                                                               
housing  in Alaska.   Banks  and external  financial institutions                                                               
have invested lots of money  in quality, fire-safe and affordable                                                               
housing  by  using  the federal  low-income  housing  tax  credit                                                               
program.    However,  "we"  have   come  up  against  a  wall  in                                                               
Anchorage, which could cause the  financial community to severely                                                               
limit investment in affordable housing throughout the state.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SIEBERTS  informed the committee  that NBA  became interested                                                               
in  the  low-income  housing  tax   credit  program  due  to  the                                                               
determination that the quality and  suitability of rental housing                                                               
in the  Anchorage community was  deficient.  He pointed  out that                                                               
this   deficiency  was   documented   by   the  Municipality   of                                                               
Anchorage's  own  housing  plan,  which  was  submitted  to  HUD.                                                               
Furthermore, the  military performed  a study in  Anchorage which                                                               
concluded that  the rental housing  was deficient in  meeting the                                                               
needs of  its service  personnel.   This was at  a time  when the                                                               
military anticipated  expansion.  Mr. Sieberts  acknowledged that                                                               
this is  not the case  with all properties.   However, properties                                                               
designed  to house  construction  workers,  pipeline workers  and                                                               
singles  were  not  designed  to  meet the  needs  of  the  mixed                                                               
population of today.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SIEBERTS turned  to the current state law,  which he believes                                                               
is fine.   Generally, the income approach to property  is what is                                                               
established  as the  market value  and what  people will  buy and                                                               
sell  properties for.   As  one  who has  probably reviewed  more                                                               
appraisals  than any  other individual  in  the state,  including                                                               
most assessors, he believes  that with income-producing property,                                                               
normally, the net income/operating  income is used in conjunction                                                               
with the capitalization  rate in order to determine a  value.  In                                                               
these affordable  housing properties,  the rent is  controlled by                                                               
the  federal government  and cannot  be increased.   Furthermore,                                                               
these properties cannot  be bought or sold  without IRS approval.                                                               
Mr. Sieberts  had not heard  of any  case in which  an affordable                                                               
housing  project built  with low-income  housing tax  credits had                                                               
been bought or sold, anywhere in the United States.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SIEBERTS explained  that in the U.S. the tax  credit form for                                                               
developing  housing was  developed  because  rents obtained  from                                                               
low-income people are not sufficient  to create a value that will                                                               
support the cost.  Therefore,  the federal government created the                                                               
low-income housing  tax credit under  the Budget Reform  of 1986.                                                               
This  was made  a  permanent  program in  1993.    By 1998,  this                                                               
program  had  been  leveraged  into over  $12  billion  worth  of                                                               
affordable  housing or  over 900,000  units  across the  country.                                                               
Therefore, if the  desire is to make  quality, affordable housing                                                               
for those who do  not make in excess of 50  percent of the median                                                               
income, then there  has to be a fair and  stable taxation program                                                               
statewide.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SIEBERTS  commented that  HB 272 parallels  a similar  law in                                                               
Portland,  Oregon.   He also  noted  that nonprofits  do not  pay                                                               
property  tax  on  affordable  housing  property,  property  with                                                               
restricted  rents,  in  the  states  of  California,  Washington,                                                               
Montana and Hawaii.   Furthermore, in California  if a for-profit                                                               
developer  owns   a  restricted-rent  property,  they   only  pay                                                               
property  tax on  the  income approach.    Mr. Sieberts  believes                                                               
there  is   considerable  room  for  new   development  of  these                                                               
properties throughout Alaska.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DYSON  asked  Mr.  Sieberts to  explain  how  the                                                               
federal tax credit works.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SIEBERTS commented  that the tax credit  program is different                                                               
than  most housing  programs  of the  federal  government.   This                                                               
program is  administered by the  U.S. Treasury Department  in the                                                               
form  of  the  IRS,  which  continually  audits  these  programs.                                                               
Through HUD, the  U.S. Treasury Department allocates  so many tax                                                               
credits to each  state.  The State of Alaska  receives the lowest                                                               
amount, $750,000  per year, of  tax credits  of any state.   That                                                               
$750,000 is  administered by AHFC,  which puts these  tax credits                                                               
out  to competitive  bid.   Therefore,  a  request for  proposals                                                               
(RFP)  is  put  out  each   year  and  for-profit  and  nonprofit                                                               
organizations can apply for these tax credits.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.   SIEBERTS  further   explained  that   AHFC  evaluates   the                                                               
properties in  order to determine  which properties are  the best                                                               
quality  projects  for  the  money.    Then  those  projects  are                                                               
allocated  to the  developer, who  then approaches  the financial                                                               
market and  places the tax  credits out  to bid.   Generally, the                                                               
financial institution  that is willing  to pay the  most receives                                                               
the tax credit.  Mr. Sieberts  posed an example in which NBA paid                                                               
$.75 on  the dollar for  a tax credit.   Over a ten  year period,                                                               
NBA would  receive a  deduction on its  income tax  liability for                                                               
those tax credits.   During that ten-year period,  the bank would                                                               
be faced with unusual risk for a bank investment.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON posed a situation  in which the property was                                                               
sold or transferred during the ten  year period.  He asked if the                                                               
federal  tax credit  transferred  with the  property  to the  new                                                               
owner or partner.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 00-4, SIDE B                                                                                                               
Number 2940                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SIEBERTS responded that to  his knowledge, that there has not                                                               
been a  case in the United  States where one of  these properties                                                               
has  been  sold.    Effectively,  the tax  credit  and  the  real                                                               
property could  be sold independently  of one another.   However,                                                               
it would  be difficult  to sell one  of these  properties without                                                               
government approval.   The tax  credit effectively would  have to                                                               
go with the property.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DYSON  agreed  that  a  rent-controlled  property                                                               
surely mitigates  or affects  the real value  of the  property in                                                               
the market.   If tax  credits go with  the property then  that is                                                               
going  to make  the property  more  valuable.   If the  municipal                                                               
assessor  is  not using  the  rent  control  issue to  value  the                                                               
property at  less value, he  asked if  the assessor is  using the                                                               
tax  credits  which are  valuable  as  a  factor in  raising  the                                                               
appraisal value.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SIEBERTS  answered that the  purchase of the tax  credits are                                                               
an   investment  with   considerable  federal   restrictions  and                                                               
oversight.  It  would be like the bank making  an investment in a                                                               
municipal bond  or loan  or home mortgage.   The  Municipality of                                                               
Anchorage does  not tax the  bank on  interest it makes  from car                                                               
loans or the bonds they purchase.   It is an investment.  The tax                                                               
credit is a subsidy or grant  from the federal government to make                                                               
up the  difference in the cost  of the real value  of the project                                                               
and the cost of building the project.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DYSON  noted  that  municipal  law  in  Anchorage                                                               
requires  that property  be assessed  at  its actual  value.   He                                                               
agreed  this is  a  tough one  because it  is  very difficult  to                                                               
establish the real value of the  property because it is not going                                                               
to be  sold.   There is  no real  test of  what the  market value                                                               
would be.  It would appear that  the fact that a property is rent                                                               
controlled would  lower the tax  assessment because  the property                                                               
would  have  a lower  value  and   will  not  sell  for as  much;                                                               
however,  there is  a huge  advantage to  owning the  federal tax                                                               
credit.   It would seem that  in fairness both things  need to be                                                               
evaluated in  coming up  with the real  value and  fulfilling the                                                               
municipal law which requires that  assessments reflect the market                                                               
value.  If  the property is not going to  sell, the philosophical                                                               
question of what assessments ought to do is raised.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PAT  CARLSON,  Assessor,  Kodiak Island  Borough,  testified  via                                                               
teleconference from  Kodiak.   He shared  his perspective  from a                                                               
small  community.    He  pointed   out  there  is  a  significant                                                               
difference  between the  historical  low-income housing  projects                                                               
and  these projects.   A  normal  one requires  that the  housing                                                               
authority or  the entity  that is creating  the project  reach an                                                               
agreement with  the municipality, and that  agreement is required                                                               
before the  project can go  forward.  The municipalities  have no                                                               
say, no control or input  whatsoever in the economic decisions of                                                               
the bank and Alaska Housing [AHFC]  and the developers.  When one                                                               
of  these projects  is constructed  in a  small community  it can                                                               
have a two-fold  effect.  If the committee forces  an exemption -                                                               
which is what he is calling it because  that is what it is in his                                                               
mind  -  for the  project,  they  also  by default  are  creating                                                               
another evaluation  problem because  these projects  take renters                                                               
from  other buildings.    Therefore, the  vacancy  rate in  those                                                               
other buildings rises.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CARLSON  told  the  committee  as an  assessor,  he  has  to                                                               
recognize the  fact that  the vacancy rate  drives the  value and                                                               
income  approach that  has  been  stated, and  that  is the  most                                                               
appropriate  method to  use.   Another issue  is there  are three                                                               
owners  to this  low-income  property.   There  is the  nonprofit                                                               
entity, the  bank and  to some  degree AHFC.   None of  those are                                                               
necessarily exempt  authority.  The  nonprofit group may  be able                                                               
to get  an exemption under  existing law, but if  nonprofit means                                                               
the owner is  not making money until the building  sells 30 years                                                               
down the road, that is different.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CARLSON   agrees  that  state  law   requires  assessors  to                                                               
recognize  conveyances and  deed restrictions.   He  believes the                                                               
state  law is  speaking to  things like  a conservation  easement                                                               
that is detached  from the property.  Here [In  the case of these                                                               
low-income housing  properties] they are  trying to come  up with                                                               
the value  of the  entity and assure  they are  equitably treated                                                               
with all other properties.  There  has been more research done in                                                               
Anchorage than he  has done.  He said there  have been some sales                                                               
of the properties in Anchorage.   Every state is different; every                                                               
project is  different; every  state law is  different.   From his                                                               
perspective  in Kodiak,  he believes  that  the properties  being                                                               
discussed  are sufficiently  distinct  from existing  properties.                                                               
He  acknowledged that  some considerations  should be  taken, but                                                               
not  to the  degree  that  the developers  desire.   The  biggest                                                               
complaint  he  has  is  the inability  to  have  local  approval.                                                               
Another significant issue is the  buildings can be filled up with                                                               
a group of  individuals that at the time are  low income; but who                                                               
could  later double  their income  and remain  a resident  in the                                                               
project.   Under  existing standard  low-income housing  projects                                                               
the  rent  for  such  individuals would  increase  to  [parallel]                                                               
market [rents].   Therefore, these individuals  would slowly move                                                               
away from the property and into  the general market and not cause                                                               
as much  disruption as  what they  would have  with one  of these                                                               
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO  asked if  Mr. Carlson  has seen  people in                                                               
Kodiak  move out  of older  low-income housing  to a  newly built                                                               
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARLSON indicated that such  has occurred, but the problem is                                                               
these individuals  do not  necessarily come  from a  standard HUD                                                               
low-income  project.   It tends  to happen  from the  other older                                                               
projects that  are privately owned,  which drives up  the vacancy                                                               
rate and lowers the assessment on those properties.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO asked  Mr. Carlson if people  moved from an                                                               
older project  to a  newer project,  wouldn't that  encourage the                                                               
owners  of the  older  project to  make  improvements to  attract                                                               
renters.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARLSON  answered to some  degree that  is true, but  now the                                                               
person who made  private business decisions to  own that building                                                               
is  subjected   to  a  government  subsidy   that  harms  him/her                                                               
economically.   The money  is not there  necessarily to  make the                                                               
improvements because  the owner  has to  compete with  this newer                                                               
building and the higher vacancy rates.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO stated that he  is attempting to get at the                                                               
overall net gain  for the communities with this  legislation.  If                                                               
these  tax  credits enable  a  developer  to build  a  low-income                                                               
housing  project,  it  meets  a need.    Furthermore,  since  the                                                               
property is  not exempted  and has  to be  assessed based  on the                                                               
deed  restriction,  the community  receives  a  net gain  because                                                               
there  are property  taxes  on the  tax roll  that  would not  be                                                               
present if these tax credits were not in place.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARLSON commented that in  his opinion, when the initial rent                                                               
rolls are set  up as low income for purposes  of qualifying, they                                                               
cease to exist as low  income after [the renter increases his/her                                                               
income].   Furthermore, there is  no requirement that  the person                                                               
move out of the property [when  his/her income increases].  He is                                                               
not  sure it  has a  positive effect  for Kodiak.   He  said that                                                               
decision should  be made by  Kodiak's assembly and  its residents                                                               
because they are the ones who are  going to write the check.  Mr.                                                               
Carlson said that  it is not a true exemption;  by requiring that                                                               
it  go to  the  low-income  project, it  is  a partial  exemption                                                               
because the  interest of NBA or  whatever bank is exempted.   For                                                               
example,  if  he builds  a  house  for  $100,000, he  receives  a                                                               
$50,000 basic subsidy  to the construction project  from the bank                                                               
in return for  the bank's writing off his  mortgage interest over                                                               
ten years.  He isn't sure that is a positive effect.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO  asked  Mr.   Carlson  if  there  are  any                                                               
qualified projects in Kodiak.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARLSON answered that they  have a variety of different types                                                               
of low-income projects, ones that  are owned by the state housing                                                               
authority  and ones  that  are under  the old  HUD  program.   He                                                               
indicated Kodiak  does not have  any of these  low-income housing                                                               
projects.  He believes that  Kodiak's low-income requirements are                                                               
more than  adequately satisfied under  the existing  program, and                                                               
that  may be  why  there  are none  of  these low-income  housing                                                               
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOOKESH  inquired as to the  financial impact that                                                               
this legislation would have on Kodiak.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
MR. CARLSON  said without having  a project defined,  the biggest                                                               
effect  Kodiak  would experience  would  be  an increase  in  the                                                               
vacancy rate, which can have  a corresponding effect on all other                                                               
rental  property.   If it  were an  extremely large  project that                                                               
drew a lot of folks, it could  have a substantial impact.  He did                                                               
not have  a sense of  the scope or scale  of these projects.   He                                                               
noted that Anchorage and Fairbanks  have quite a bit of exposure.                                                               
He  reiterated that  in Kodiak  the  impact would  depend on  the                                                               
project size.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOOKESH  said he is  asking for a real  example of                                                               
the problem Mr. Carlson sees right now.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARLSON responded that he  doesn't have a problem, except for                                                               
the issue  of equity.   He explained  that the inequity  would be                                                               
that  he would  be required  to treat  a project  owned by  these                                                               
entities, maybe one owned partially  by the bank differently than                                                               
a project  that was totally privately  owned.  He said he has not                                                               
seen  any evidence  of why  the  two projects  should be  treated                                                               
differently.     These  low-income   housing  projects   are  not                                                               
permanently for  low income  renters, only  initially.   The bank                                                               
basically absorbs  whatever loss  the party  presents as  its low                                                               
income.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOOKESH said  he is trying to get to  the point of                                                               
Mr. Carlson's  objection and can't  seem to  get a handle  on it.                                                               
He asked  for an example  of people who  are living in  a project                                                               
right now that have exceeded  the low-income restriction, but are                                                               
still residents.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARLSON said his observation  has been that with the existing                                                               
projects when the rents are  raised to market levels, the renters                                                               
move  out into  the  general population  away  from the  existing                                                               
multi-family complexes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2232                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
WILEY BROOKS, Certified Property  Manager; Member, Alaska Chapter                                                               
Real  Estate   Management,  testified  via   teleconference  from                                                               
Anchorage.   He  commented  that  he just  learned  of this  bill                                                               
yesterday and is  present primarily to learn  something about it.                                                               
He asked if  he can assume that the municipalities  can lose some                                                               
tax dollars if this bill is put into effect.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN  HARRIS   surmised  from  the  testimony,   that  the                                                               
municipalities probably could lose some tax dollars.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BROOKS said  if the  municipalities lose  tax money,  can he                                                               
assume that will have to be made up by others.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN HARRIS replied that was up to the municipality.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS noted that somebody is  going to have to fill the gap.                                                               
He  informed  the  committee  that   he  has  managed  subsidized                                                               
projects,  and   therefore  is  familiar   with  the   rules  and                                                               
regulations.   He has experienced  trying to get renters  out who                                                               
no longer qualify as low income,  and it is difficult to get them                                                               
out.    He  asked  if  there has  been  any  examination  of  the                                                               
financial  statements of  the  owners of  any  of the  subsidized                                                               
housing.    He  heard  testimony  earlier  that  these  were  not                                                               
profitable  to  the  owners  unless   they  benefited  from  this                                                               
legislation.  He  asked if anyone knows that in  fact that is the                                                               
case.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO  pointed  out  that  the  committee  heard                                                               
testimony from  the director  of a  local housing  authority, who                                                               
testified that  these organizations/owners  are under  strict IRS                                                               
guidelines,  constant review  and  possible  audits.   Therefore,                                                               
Representative   Halcro   said   he    would   say   yes,   these                                                               
organizations/owners are reviewed and audited quite frequently.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS  mentioned the shake out  in the 1980s when  the state                                                               
over  built housing  and rents  decreased.   Many landlords  lost                                                               
their income property  and never really recovered from  that.  In                                                               
the  last two  to four  years there  has been  subsidized housing                                                               
built,  however  he  knew  of  very  few  private  non-subsidized                                                               
housing  that  has  been  built.   If  there  is  not  profit  in                                                               
subsidized  housing,  he  wondered why  more  subsidized  housing                                                               
would be built when the private sector can't compete with it.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO  answered  if the  private  sector  cannot                                                               
compete  with subsidized  housing, then  somebody has  to provide                                                               
the product.  He asked if  the private sector can't build it, who                                                               
is going to build it, and who is going to service that need.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS  asked if "they"  are going  to continue to  hold down                                                               
the marketplace  so that private  investors cannot make  money in                                                               
the apartment business.  For example,  a couple in their 60s went                                                               
out a  bought a four-plex  with their  savings and are  using the                                                               
money from this four-plex for  their retirement income.  They are                                                               
going to have their taxes  increase because subsidized housing is                                                               
going to get a decrease in its tax burden.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN HARRIS announced that he intended to hold HB 272.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BROOKS asked  if  this wasn't  really a  subsidy  on top  of                                                               
subsidy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO answered  the amount  of these  credits is                                                               
limited.   Therefore, there is  not going  to be an  explosion of                                                               
low-income housing to compete with  the private sector.  However,                                                               
the ability for these projects to  be built in every community in                                                               
the  state does  need  to be  protected.   There  will  not be  a                                                               
situation reminiscent  of the early  1980s when  condominiums and                                                               
apartment buildings went  up quickly.  These  credits are limited                                                               
and do provide  a very valuable way for communities  to provide a                                                               
low-income housing product.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO  referred to  the  example  of the  senior                                                               
couple and  asked how much  their property tax  increases because                                                               
of public safety, public health  costs and other costs associated                                                               
with  those situations  that  arise because  people  do not  have                                                               
affordable housing.   He  believes there  is a  net gain  for the                                                               
community.  The  community gets additional money  on the property                                                               
tax rolls as well as there is  a low income segment of the rental                                                               
market that  has a product  it can afford  it.  Although  he does                                                               
not like government competing with  the private sector, this is a                                                               
segment of the  market where it is clear that  the private sector                                                               
has no interest in providing this type of product.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS disagreed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1780                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JEFF   JUDD,  Executive   Director,   Anchorage  Mutual   Housing                                                               
Association,  testified via  teleconference from  Anchorage.   He                                                               
also  stated he  is representing  Anchorage Neighborhood  Housing                                                               
Services (ANHS).   He informed  the community that  the Anchorage                                                               
Neighborhood  Housing   Services  has   developed  a   number  of                                                               
properties in Anchorage over the course  of the last eight to ten                                                               
years.  In 1995 and 1996  ANHS  filed an appeal with the Board of                                                               
Equalization  regarding  the  assessment   value  that  had  been                                                               
derived by the  local assessor.  Ultimately,  ANHS was successful                                                               
in  the appeal.   The  basis of  the appeal  was simply  that the                                                               
property  should  be  assessed  on the  real  income  that  those                                                               
properties actually  generate.   In 1997  the assessor  issued an                                                               
assessment  value  that  was considerably  over  the  value  ANHS                                                               
believed to  be appropriate, based  on the real economics  of the                                                               
property again.  Through a  negotiation process with the assessor                                                               
at that  time, ANHS derived a  methodology they believed to  be a                                                               
middle  ground.   It wasn't  everything his  organization wanted,                                                               
but  it wasn't  everything the  Municipality of  Anchorage wanted                                                               
either.  It was a fair settlement of the issue.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JUDD reported that in 1998  a new local assessor started with                                                               
the  municipality and  in the  minds of  ANHS, he  discounted the                                                               
methodology that was established in the  prior year.  In fact, he                                                               
significantly   increased  the   valuations   of  the   Anchorage                                                               
properties beyond what  had ever been seen before.   For example,                                                               
one  local  property  owned   by  Anchorage  Housing  Initiatives                                                               
experienced an  increase of 184  percent in one year.   Anchorage                                                               
Neighborhood Housing Services, who is  the general partner on two                                                               
tax credit  properties, saw  increases in  the valuation  of over                                                               
120 percent on two properties and  other properties went up 70 to                                                               
90 percent  all in one  year.   The increase in  assessment means                                                               
they  pay a  significantly higher  amount in  property taxes,  an                                                               
amount  that  these properties  cannot  pay  because they  simply                                                               
don't generate that amount of cash flow.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JUDD  told the committee  the owners have  provided financial                                                               
statements that show  that a good share of  these properties have                                                               
operated  historically  at  a  loss  and  that  the  increase  in                                                               
property taxes effectively bankrupts  these properties.  Some are                                                               
in technical default.  These  nonprofit organizations who look to                                                               
provide  affordable quality  housing for  those who  need it  are                                                               
going to  have to  determine at  some point  whether or  not they                                                               
have  the ability  to carry  these properties  or are  willing to                                                               
carry them  at a very substantial  loss, especially if HB  272 is                                                               
not adopted.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JUDD  referred to  one question which  came up  earlier about                                                               
how  much   they  have  actually   spent  in  legal   and  appeal                                                               
preparation costs.   He noted that  about a year and  a half ago,                                                               
the  local  organizations got  together  and  formed a  group  of                                                               
affordable  housing   providers  to  appeal  the   existing  1998                                                               
assessments.    Because of  the  very  technical nature  of  this                                                               
process and the preparations the  local assessor was undertaking,                                                               
they had  to hire an  attorney and a  consultant.  The  group has                                                               
spent over $40,000 in the last  12 months preparing for the Board                                                               
of Equalization  appeal.   The appeal process  with the  Board of                                                               
Equalization  was fairly  brutal with  four and  a half  hours of                                                               
testimony  by   both  parties.    The   appeal  process  involved                                                               
attorneys  on both  sides and  consultants  and a  full panel  of                                                               
local assessors  that have taken  a much more aggressive  look at                                                               
this issue this year than they ever had in the past.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. JUDD told  the committee the basic premise  he discerned from                                                               
the  local assessor's  approach is  simply that  the tax  credits                                                               
have some value.  As Mr.  Sieberts had indicated, the tax credits                                                               
are  there  to support  the  development  of affordable,  quality                                                               
housing in the communities.  In  his mind, the tax credits do not                                                               
have real  property value  but rather are  an intangible  that is                                                               
used in  order to  make the  project developmentally  feasible in                                                               
the  first place.    For  example, [the  tax  credit] covers  the                                                               
difference between what it costs to  build a project and what the                                                               
restricted  rent levels  will actually  allow it  to borrow  from                                                               
organizations  such  as  the  AHFC.    The  tax  credits  do  not                                                               
contribute to  an operating income  approach. He  explained there                                                               
is  no income  that is  derived from  the tax  credits in  annual                                                               
operations.   The housing organizations  are simply asking  for a                                                               
consistent assessment methodology  that is based on  the full and                                                               
true  value,  as reflected  by  the  restricted income  that  the                                                               
affordable housing property actually generates.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JUDD  agrees with Mr.  Sieberts that  full and true  value as                                                               
currently stated  in state law  actually addresses this  issue in                                                               
his mind.   However,  the local assessor  has indicated  that the                                                               
full  and true  value does  not allow  him to  consider the  deed                                                               
restrictions that apply under this  low-income housing tax credit                                                               
program,  AHFC multi-family  direct  financing  program or  other                                                               
federal programs  that enable affordable quality  housing for low                                                               
income tenants  to be  built in  the first place.   The  full and                                                               
true value  by law is the  estimated price that a  property would                                                               
bring in  an open market  under the prevailing  market conditions                                                               
in  a sale  between a  willing seller  and a  willing buyer  both                                                               
conversant with the property and  with prevailing general prices.                                                               
The mere  definition implies  that a person  would only  pay what                                                               
the value is  truly worth, full and true value,  given those deed                                                               
restrictions.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. JUDD believes  a person would have to be  totally ignorant to                                                               
buy a property  at "market value or market rent"  because in fact                                                               
they  cannot charge  market rent  and can  only charge  something                                                               
significantly  less.   Furthermore, those  tax credits  come with                                                               
significant  compliance  risk  that effectively  means  that  the                                                               
limited partner,  the bank who buys  the credit, may in  fact not                                                               
be  able  to use  them  dependent  upon whether  an  organization                                                               
effectively  manages  the property  in  compliance  with the  tax                                                               
credit program or other restrictions that apply.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JUDD  noted  that, ironically,  the  universally  recognized                                                               
document for  proper appraising  in this  country is  the Uniform                                                               
Standards  of  Professional  Appraisal Practice  (USPAP).    This                                                               
standard  includes procedures  for  mass appraisals  such as  tax                                                               
assessments  and  requires  the   appraisers  to  consider  known                                                               
easements,  restrictions,   encumbrances,  leases,  reservations,                                                               
covenants,   contracts,    declarations,   special   assessments,                                                               
ordinance or other items of a  similar nature.  The very document                                                               
that  appraisers  around  the  country  use  as  the  universally                                                               
recognized  approach   require  them   to  consider   those  deed                                                               
restrictions.   Yet the local assessor  is not doing that.   As a                                                               
matter of  public record,  the local  assessor stated  during the                                                               
Board of Equalization hearing that  the assessors didn't know how                                                               
to value the  tax credits even if they could  and thus they would                                                               
assess  the property  using market  rents  as that  was the  only                                                               
thing they  knew how to  do.  In  fact, the owners  cannot charge                                                               
market rent.   Most of  these properties are all  deed restricted                                                               
and  most  have specific  rent  restrictions  that are  generally                                                               
below the  market rent that can  be charged.  The  owners have no                                                               
ability to raise  the rent during a  long-term compliance period,                                                               
generally a minimum of 15 years and in most cases 30 years.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JUDD referred  to the  issue  of sale  of these  properties.                                                               
There has  not been one  sale of a  tax credit property  or other                                                               
deed  restricted  property in  Alaska  or  anywhere else  in  the                                                               
country.   He  acknowledged that  the tax  credits move  with the                                                               
property and in order to claim  the tax credit, one would have to                                                               
be an owner in  the property.  He posed a  situation in which the                                                               
property  is  sold and  the  general  partner is  being  replaced                                                               
perhaps  in  what  is  a  limited  partnership.    The  bank  who                                                               
originally  purchased  the  credit  would  stay  as  the  limited                                                               
partner in the  deal for the compliance period.   There might be,                                                               
in theory,  the ability for the  limited partner to sell  the tax                                                               
credit  to  another  bank,  perhaps who  might  then  become  the                                                               
limited partner.   However,  the reality  is, in  all likelihood,                                                               
that will  never happen or it  would happen very seldom.   In any                                                               
event, the property  is still bound by the  deed restrictions for                                                               
the full compliance period.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1076                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DYSON asked  whether  fairness  and equity  would                                                               
require  that  if  the  assessor  takes  into  account  the  rent                                                               
restrictions,  that  he/she  should  take into  account  the  tax                                                               
credits that  go with the property  - in the unlikely  event that                                                               
it is sold.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JUDD  answered that  their position is  that the  tax credits                                                               
are not  truly real property.   The tax  credits are tied  to the                                                               
property in that in order to use  the credit someone has to be an                                                               
owner  in the  property.    The value  of  the  credit is  simply                                                               
nothing more than a development  subsidy to help make the project                                                               
feasible in the  first place.  More specifically,  the tax credit                                                               
covers the difference  between what it costs to  build a property                                                               
and what  the actual income  will enable the property  to borrow,                                                               
the true value.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON asked  what Mr. Judd would  speculate as the                                                               
major motivation  for the  banks that  get involved  in financing                                                               
these organizations and taking the federal tax credit.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. JUDD answered  there are several answers.   The banks benefit                                                               
from the Community Reinvestment  Act compliance issues with these                                                               
properties.   Furthermore, the banks  see this as  an opportunity                                                               
to improve the  housing stock in the communities.   There is some                                                               
investment value to the tax credit,  however it is a very limited                                                               
investment value  given the  history of  these properties.   Over                                                               
time  the  amount  they  have  had to  pay  for  the  credit  has                                                               
increased, there  is significant compliance risk  in these deals.                                                               
In  one  case,  a  local  banker  had  to  invest  a  substantial                                                               
(additional)  amount  into  a  property   to  make  that  project                                                               
feasible,  especially given  the local  tax issue.   To  say that                                                               
there is  a huge value  to the tax credit  to the bank  is simply                                                               
untrue.  There is some investment value, but it is very limited.                                                                
Number 0841                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SHANNON WILKS,  President, Board of Directors,  Anchorage Housing                                                               
Initiative,  testified via  teleconference from  Anchorage.   She                                                               
informed the  committee that Anchorage Housing  Initiative is the                                                               
limited partner in  two of these properties.  She  noted that the                                                               
Alaska  Housing Initiative,  a  recognized community  development                                                               
organization  in Anchorage,  has a  mission to  provide community                                                               
integrated housing  for people with  disabilities.   However, she                                                               
did  note   that  the  two   complexes  that   Anchorage  Housing                                                               
Initiative is a  general partner in are not  complexes solely for                                                               
those with disabilities.   Still,  a number of  the units in each                                                               
building  are completely  accessible.   With regard  to the  Hill                                                               
Point Park  Apartments, the property taxes  increased 184 percent                                                               
in one year.  Therefore, a  major problem with the mortgage arose                                                               
because  when  property  taxes   increase,  the  mortgage  holder                                                               
reviews  that and  reassesses  the mortgage  in  order to  ensure                                                               
there are enough  funds for property taxes.  In  the case of Hill                                                               
Point  Park Apartments,  the mortgage  increased  from $7,378  to                                                               
$11,756.  There  is not $4,378 additional funds  in the operating                                                               
revenue of  the building.   As  a result,  the building  has been                                                               
paying the  mortgage that it can  afford and even at  that level,                                                               
it  is barely  breaking even.   She  echoed the  earlier comments                                                               
that  this type  of housing  basically does  not make  any money.                                                               
Therefore, the result of such  assessments will be foreclosure on                                                               
these  properties.    Anchorage  Housing Initiative  is  a  small                                                               
nonprofit  that, like  Housing First  in Juneau,  is a  volunteer                                                               
organization.     She  further   noted  that   Anchorage  Housing                                                               
Initiative operates on  a grant income that barely  amounts to an                                                               
income of $25,000 per year.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI inquired as  to the average residency of                                                               
tenants in Anchorage Housing Initiative units.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILKS estimated  that there has generally been  a turnover of                                                               
5 percent, if not more.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI  expressed  concern with  some  of  the                                                               
comments that  there are abuses  of the low-income  housing units                                                               
in that  some individuals  choose to remain  in these  units even                                                               
when  their income  increases.   She noted  that she  has a  very                                                               
large  housing  project  in  her  district  from  which  she  has                                                               
observed  that,  in general,  people  are  present because  of  a                                                               
marginal  income.   She expressed  curiosity with  regard to  how                                                               
long  people stay  in low-income  housing.   She did  acknowledge                                                               
that there will be abuses.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0266                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  LAWER,   President,  Alaska  Bankers   Association;  First                                                               
National  Bank of  Anchorage, testified  via teleconference  from                                                               
Anchorage.  He announced his support  for HB 272.  With regard to                                                               
the  motivation  of  banks  in   these  investments,  the  single                                                               
motivation  is  to  provide  assistance   in  connection  with  a                                                               
worthwhile cause.  He acknowledged  that banks derive some return                                                               
in terms of the  tax credit.  It is also the  case that banks are                                                               
not in  business to provide  low-cost or no-cost housing  for the                                                               
community; the  bank is entitled  to a return on  its investment.                                                               
He indicated that  the low-income housing tax credit is  a way in                                                               
which the federal  government has decided to make  use of private                                                               
capital.   Furthermore,  there is  a  Community Reinvestment  Act                                                               
motivation  on behalf  of the  bank.   However,  banks also  have                                                               
access  to alternate  investments, which  produce a  considerably                                                               
higher return.   Currently,  banks have  the opportunity  to make                                                               
single family  mortgage loans at  a higher  rate of return.   Mr.                                                               
Lawer  pointed  out  that   [investment  in]  low-income  housing                                                               
entails considerable risk.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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MR. LAWER mentioned a low-income  housing project in Wasilla from                                                               
which the  low-income tax credits were  sold to the bank.   Those                                                               
tax credits were sold at a  price that would yield 6.8 percent to                                                               
the investor,  if no other money  had to be invested.   Mr. Lawer                                                               
said  that  is equal  to  the  return  on  the [loan]  bonds,  an                                                               
investment  that has  absolutely  no risk.    He emphasized  that                                                               
[banks] make  no excuse that a  return from these tax  credits is                                                               
enjoyed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN  HARRIS  announced  that public  testimony  would  be                                                               
closed.   Then the committee  took an  at-ease from 9:51  a.m. to                                                               
9:56 a.m.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN  HARRIS   acknowledged  that  the  majority   of  the                                                               
committee  felt that  this legislation  should  be reported  from                                                               
committee.   Therefore, he  announced that  he would  entertain a                                                               
motion.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0164                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO  moved to  report HB  272 out  of committee                                                               
with individual recommendations and  the accompanying zero fiscal                                                               
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON objected and noted  that he would still like                                                               
to have some questions answered.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Upon  a   roll  call   vote,  Representatives   Kookesh,  Halcro,                                                               
Murkowski,  Joule and  Harris voted  in  favor of  the motion  to                                                               
report HB  272 out of  committee, and Representative  Dyson voted                                                               
against  it.   Therefore, HB  272 was  reported out  of committee                                                               
with a vote of 5-1.                                                                                                             

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